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thabet

"Generally considered a dynasty of nepotistic, lecherous drunks"

By whom?

Though you're right: those who prattle on about The Caliphate know the least about it -- the most important fact that there has never been on sole "caliphate" for 1400 years, as some like to claim.

Tony

I read the Chapati Mystery post on altmuslim where I rarely post. I think the writer is correct that *one* of the motivating myths for the Salafi jihadis is the idea of the ummah. However, I don't understand why he's so dismissive of the assertion that the Caliphate is another foundational myth. He appears to argue that because the idea of a re-created Caliphate is such a patently stupid and uninformed goal (no disagreement there), no one can take it seriously. But the Salafi jihadis do take it seriously.

Chapati Mystery has that peculiar academic blind spot which, in search of "deep meaning", denies that many people actually mean what they say. He claims that Caliphate talk is just part of an anti-colonialist "narrative." However, I've been in a number of masjids for jum'a where du'a is offered for the quick re-establishment of the Caliphate, among other dumb things. Yes, the imams -- like so many of them -- have been half-educated, religious obscurantists. But that doesn't mean their beliefs weren't genuinely held.

I like your summary of the history of the caliphate. Sadly, myth has overflowed its boundaries for Muslims and historicity has no meaning.

islamoyankee

thabet, you are right, I should have been more accurate in describing the Ummayads as a bunch of neptistic, lecherous drunks. The polemic surrounding them began with the early Abbasid movement, and really doesn't seem to end until the arrival of the Seljuqs. While the Seljuqs did not seek to rehabilitate the image of the Ummayads, in order to crystalize a Sunni identity, they had to preserve the narrative of the defeat of Shi'ism. To the best of my knowledge, the Ottomans never bothered much with Ummayd rhetoric, and it's only in the colonial period and later that the Ummayads are re-envisioned as being an exemplary rule. All of their contemporaries hold them in low regard.

thabet

I only ask "by whom" because the founder of the Ummayads is held in high regards by Sunnis as is Umar II, often called the 'fifth rightly-guided caliph'. I am not interested in pursuing the rights/wrongs of that period -- God knows we've had a millenium to sort it out (although you might be surprised on my opinions). But it is easy to say of the dead what we like as they are not here to defend themselves. That many of the ummayad histories were compiled during Abbassid times ought to make us just a tad more sceptical of their "nepotism" and "lechery" and "drunkness". (All three have aspects, in fact, have been exhibited by all Muslim kingdoms.)

In modern times I would be surprised to find the Ummayads being a source of inspiration -- many contemporary Khilafists envisage the "truer" Caliphate of the Rightly-Guided era.

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danithew

I'm glad you brought up this issue. I was reading some kind of Al-Qaeda training manual that I found downloadable on line and it appears to complain about th 1924 blow to Islam -- the abolitiion of the Caliphate. I'm trying to figure out the degree to which Islamic fundamentalists (or perhaps even Muslims in general) care or do not care about re-establishing the caliphate.

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Tony

On the other hand, "ummah" does seem to animate more Muslims than Arab empire in a caliphate. See Sabaa Saleem's jihadi apologia in the Washington Post which comes quite close to endorsing the radical argument if still a denunciation of their methods.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/29/AR2005072901935.html

In my view, her position does not meet satisfy the usual claim of apologia that understanding does not necessarily equal endorsement.

Tony

Caliphate update:

Interesting review of Fouad Hussein's new book on Zarqawi. I can't find an English version; I assume it's only in Arabic for now. Hightlight of the article -- Al-Qaeda's 7-step program for world caliphate ("What al-Qaeda Really Wants").

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,druck-369448,00.html

Favorite line in the article:

"But what this small, slim man has to report is nothing less than the world's most dangerous terrorist network's plan of action: al-Qaida's strategy for the next two decades. It is both frightening and absurd, a lunatic plan conceived by fanatics who live in their own world, but who continually manage to break into the real world with their brutal acts of violence."

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